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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!
by defender of truth inthe royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .
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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.
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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!
by defender of truth inthe royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .
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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.
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defender of truth
Sorry I was blind, I honestly didn't see your topic..
Anyway, whichever one people post on (who cares really), PLEASE keep bumping the news to the top.
Cannot wait to see this..
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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!
by defender of truth inthe royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .
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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.
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defender of truth
The Royal Commission’s public hearing into the Jehovah’s Witnesses will recommence in Sydney on Friday 14 August 2015 at 11:00am.
It is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, Mr Geoffrey Jackson, a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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defender of truth
Just to tie the threads together..
Discussion continuing here:
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/424250001/yahwehs-wonderful-creation#/420770003
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Yahweh's wonderful creation
by fulltimestudent inwhen i thought of myself as a christian witness of yahweh attempting to be a footstep follower of jesus, psalm 104 was one of my favourites.
if i was ever in some wonderful scenic area, psalm 104 would jump into my mind, and i'd start to praise yahweh and jesus.. but if something horrible came to mind as in the following video, i'd always think of the favourite christian escape clause, it's all because of adam's sin.
but any connection between natural animal savagery and adam's sin is never logically made in the bible.. interestingly, the supposedly inspired psalm 104 (nwt-the grey one i guess) itself says that:.
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defender of truth
All evidence indicates that ancient life was exactly as it is today - brutal, violent, painful, and short. This, Jehovah's Witnesses must believe, was the perfect creation of God.
www.jwbeliefs.com/jehovahs-witnesses-believe-animal-suffering-and-death/
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Yahweh's wonderful creation
by fulltimestudent inwhen i thought of myself as a christian witness of yahweh attempting to be a footstep follower of jesus, psalm 104 was one of my favourites.
if i was ever in some wonderful scenic area, psalm 104 would jump into my mind, and i'd start to praise yahweh and jesus.. but if something horrible came to mind as in the following video, i'd always think of the favourite christian escape clause, it's all because of adam's sin.
but any connection between natural animal savagery and adam's sin is never logically made in the bible.. interestingly, the supposedly inspired psalm 104 (nwt-the grey one i guess) itself says that:.
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defender of truth
Perry:
Genesis 2-3 show that humanity and animals existed in apparent cooperation and harmony at some point in the past, and that animals were in the Garden.
Humanity and the animals were apparently herbivorous at the time (but not necessarily exclusively so-- they might have eaten insects or even occasional meat, but the bible seems to indicate that they were mainly plant-eating at the time)
Yawn.
The page is not even attempting to discuss the question of why animal suffering and predation was part of a loving God's perfect plan.. BEFORE humanity was 'created' ?
It doesn't mention the predators from millions of years ago, before Adam.
Genesis 8 indicates that God was mindful of the animals ("God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark").
You mean after he had needlessly, and with premeditation, drowned almost all of the world's animal population in the Flood??
How lovely of him to be mindful of the relatively few survivors of his mass murder.. Some thinktank they are (!)
6. Somewhere in the Messianic Future, the ecosystem will return to the basic original blueprint of peaceful harmony and generalized herbivory (or a comparable plan).
Where is the evidence for this 'basic original blueprint of peace, harmony and generalized herbivory'? In the Bible?
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Yahweh's wonderful creation
by fulltimestudent inwhen i thought of myself as a christian witness of yahweh attempting to be a footstep follower of jesus, psalm 104 was one of my favourites.
if i was ever in some wonderful scenic area, psalm 104 would jump into my mind, and i'd start to praise yahweh and jesus.. but if something horrible came to mind as in the following video, i'd always think of the favourite christian escape clause, it's all because of adam's sin.
but any connection between natural animal savagery and adam's sin is never logically made in the bible.. interestingly, the supposedly inspired psalm 104 (nwt-the grey one i guess) itself says that:.
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defender of truth
But if something horrible came to mind as in the following video, I'd always think of the favourite Christian escape clause, it's all because of Adam's sin.
But any connection between natural animal savagery and Adam's sin is never logically made in the Bible.
Great topic.
Natural animal savagery has been happening for millions of years, long before Adam existed, even if a person believes that he did exist at all.
Predation, even to the point of species becoming completely extinct, occurred well before the first sin was committed, before mankind existed even.
As you inferred, God's original Plan for his perfect creation must have involved a predator/prey arms race that has spanned, not just thousands, but millions of years.. How loving.
Here is an entire thread on the topic of animal suffering, for those who may have wondered why God allows animals to suffer:
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/222352/theists-why-does-god-allow-suffering?size=10&page=1
[There is a great introductory/summary link, showing briefly how this topic relates to Jehovahs Witness' beliefs, posted on the last page, for any who don't have time to read over 700 interesting replies..]
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This article indicates the org will consider policy changes
by defender of truth ini think they were just telling the arc what they wanted to hear.. what do you think?.
couple of interesting quotes:.
"mr o'brien, co-ordinator of the church's australian branch committee, told the commission the organisation was "open to change".. in evidence, he said the committee would consider the greater involvement of women in child sex abuse cases, clearer guidance for elders hearing allegations and better communication with victims and their families about their legal options.. mr o'brien told the commission the church did not have a redress scheme for sex abuse victims but would consider establishing one.. vincent toole, head of the church's watchtower bible and tract society, told the commission he would seek independent legal advice about the church's obligations to report child sex abuse to the authorities.. justice mcclellan asked mr toole if he understood there was a general obligation for every citizen to report crimes to the authorities.. "coming to this commission has been a wake-up call for me, i can assure you," mr toole said.. www.smh.com.au/nsw/royal-commission-jehovahs-witnesses-to-review-approach-to-sex-abuse-allegations-20150805-gis2fh.html.
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defender of truth
Typically they'd try to use confessional privilege to defend themselves from any obligation to report under this law, but they've not been doing that in Oz, and after Stewart's demolition of how it shouldn't be considered 'secret' I wonder whether other common law jurisdictions will take another look at the issue from this angle.
Boy I hope this RC has a profound effect in Britain..
It should do, if people are sufficiently moved, and willing to share their experiences with the Independent Inquiry.
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Just for the record Vincent Toole and Terrence Obrien you are both lying SOBs
by joe134cd ini just thought i would mention this on the off chance they might be lurking here.
the two quotes are.
(1)vincent toole ="i've never heard of the term 'theocratic warfare'".
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defender of truth
Terrence Obrien "people are free to leave or become inactive without being viewed negatively
Anecdotes here:
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/184422/shunning-inactive-jw-never-heard-about-before?page=1
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Just for the record Vincent Toole and Terrence Obrien you are both lying SOBs
by joe134cd ini just thought i would mention this on the off chance they might be lurking here.
the two quotes are.
(1)vincent toole ="i've never heard of the term 'theocratic warfare'".
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Terrence Obrien "people are free to leave or become inactive without being viewed negatively"
(b) Why is it urgent that inactive ones return to Jehovah?
17 Are you among those who are not now actively serving God? Perhaps someone in the congregation hurt you and as a result you stopped associating with Jehovah’s organization. Since some time may have passed, ask yourself: ‘Is my life now more meaningful, and am I happier? Was it Jehovah who offended me, or was it an imperfect human? Has Jehovah God ever done anything to harm me?’ Really, he has always done good toward us. Even if we are not living up to our dedication to him, he allows us to enjoy the good things he provides. (Jas. 1:16, 17)
Soon, Jehovah's day will come. Now is the time to return to our heavenly Father’s loving arms and to the congregation—the only safe haven in these last days.—Deut. 33:27; Heb. 10:24, 25."
www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/maintain-a-waiting-attitude/
Inactive ones are not viewed negatively, just as potential bird food any day now, like the rest of the human race...